Da Speed Demon Community

A site about da 88 (piano)
 
  FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   BookmakersBookmakers   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages    Log inLog in 

Fastest Prokofiev 7th sonata Allegro Precipitato Ever?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Da Speed Demon Community Forum Index -> Da SDC Conservatory - Piano Technique n Performance
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
AlexeiSultanovForeverOffline
Largo
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Total posts: 25
Gender: Unknown

837.95 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:21    Post subject: Fastest Prokofiev 7th sonata Allegro Precipitato Ever? Reply with quote

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=17eY339td4M

Not exactly the best interpretation but DAYUM that is incredibly fast. And more accurate than most pianists play it at 2/3 the tempo.
Back to top
View user's profile 
Da NorOffline
Latin Cock
Joined: 06 Sep 2005
Total posts: 2150
Gender: Unknown

23353.88 ziffro
2219.61 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha da HITMAN


but da fucking middle part sounds like samba or rumba,, it's just too fast!
Back to top
View user's profile 
simonme20Offline
Allegro
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
Total posts: 527
Location: UK
Gender: Male

12923.65 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

When she was 12 years old Sad I dont like the interpretation, but I just give up anyway, theres no point me trying to play piano anymore.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=futf7xW9uwc&NR=1
Back to top
View user's profile 
Thracozaag
34540.70 ziffro
1639.23 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite a delight you're back on PW Da Comme
Back to top
View user's profile 
AlexeiSultanovForeverOffline
Largo
Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Total posts: 25
Gender: Unknown

837.95 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you kidding me? you can do better than that ho. she can't even play the notes.

At least Kapustka OWNS the notes. Also, he plays with great clarity, which is required if you attempt these kinds of speeds. That 12 year old just can't handle it. Respect for the attempt though. Too much pedal.

You wanna see rediculous 11 year old?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Nr_yuneFQ

THIS kid puts just about anyone to shame in terms of achievement.
Flawless technique at age 11 and very smooth musically as well.
Back to top
View user's profile 
Rob
5.00 ziffro
13.77 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Da Nor wrote:
haha da HITMAN



http://www.mcjp.asso.fr/pjanv2007/spect/nouveaux_talents/sano.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile 
jre58591Offline
Prestissimo
Joined: 30 Oct 2005
Total posts: 2957
Location: east los angeles
Age: 28
Gender: Male

48623.31 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, look at matti raekallio's interp. his is fucking fast and is accurate as hell.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail 
pianollaOffline
Largo
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
Total posts: 11
Gender: Unknown

247.34 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

To some it is musically compelling , to some it is not. It remains , to this date, the fastest AND the most technically accurate rendering of the hideously difficult Prokofiev Precipitato EVER attempted and carried by a human being. Everything else is already a history, subject to reading and interpretation. Jozef Kapustka,piano (Poland).
Haochen Zhang is beyond description. Both of those guys are just aliens who also happen to play the piano.lol
Back to top
View user's profile 
subwoofahOffline
Da Queer of CG
Joined: 12 Sep 2004
Total posts: 3404
Gender: Unknown

55618.93 ziffro
7774.64 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kapustka plays that piece absolutely terribly.

Prokofiev 7 is actually a piece of muzic with an artistic purpose, so naturally, I prefer performances that sound like the performer actually gives a shit about saying something about it.

That being said, it's about 10x harder technically to play this movement with the degree of control (articulation, dynamics, phrasing, etc.) of say, Gould or Sokolov, than the idiots above.
Back to top
View user's profile 
da tonyOffline
Polar Bear
Joined: 31 Dec 2004
Total posts: 1207
Gender: Male

2003.09 ziffro
0.91 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bronze Medal
Back to top
View user's profile 
pianollaOffline
Largo
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
Total posts: 11
Gender: Unknown

247.34 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

It s hard to be consensual about a stunt even as impressive as this one, but I do agree that as far as the actual piece of muzic goes it is far more effective played by, say, Richter or Argerich and those are indeed master interpretations. So take it for what it is: a stunt unique of its kind done with a very flashy and secure virtuoso technique although musically flawed.
I do agree also that it is possibly harder to play it the way Gould or Sokolov does.
Back to top
View user's profile 
talla site
Andante
Gender: Unknown

1772.24 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is the old discussion about the technique. Technique is not only to play as fast as possible, technique is to play the composer idea as perfect as possible.
The problem of this prok sonate is not only the tempo but the polyphonic work.
Back to top
View user's profile 
jredmondOffline
Prestissimo
Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Total posts: 2292
Location: wat
Age: 31
Gender: Male

31191.55 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

talla site wrote:
technique is to play the composer idea as perfect as possible.


i see. and how exactly are we to deduce the "composer's idea"?
Back to top
View user's profile 
marcomedinaOffline
Moderato
Joined: 11 Nov 2008
Total posts: 331
Gender: Unknown

6733.15 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

jredmond wrote:
talla site wrote:
technique is to play the composer idea as perfect as possible.


i see. and how exactly are we to deduce the "composer's idea"?

I've always wondered that myself. I used to think what was on the printed page was fact and truth, but after some logical thinking and seeing other editions, it becomes clear that the original intention my be lost through translation. For instance: I have a bach wtc bk 1 which has VERY extensive cross references to different manuscripts and editions. Literally every other measure it seems has an ornament in question, a note that could be something else etc. The same is true of articulation, dynamics etc. In my edition of 5 beethoven sonatas, it clearly states in the foreward that beethoven was a messy writer. And through time some staccato marks begin to look like staccatissimo and vice versa. To get to my point, this is the difference between a musician and a pianist. A musician looks for different possibilities within reason, and sometimes out of it as well, to interperet muzic in a way that is either fresh, pleasing or something else. Sometimes it's not pretty, sometimes it's spectacular. However, a pianist simply plays the piano. Sort of like a robot, it just follows the directions, to the letter, ignoring what may feel right to that person, what may sound better, just ploughing through the material as accurately as possible.

this all of course is just my humble opinion Very Happy would love to hear a more educated musicians thoughts on this...
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website 
Anima
Prestissimo
Location: Belgium
Age: 29
Gender: Male

39632.01 ziffro
2795.54 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

man your posts are too long for da sdc
Back to top
View user's profile 
marcomedinaOffline
Moderato
Joined: 11 Nov 2008
Total posts: 331
Gender: Unknown

6733.15 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anima wrote:
man your posts are too long for da sdc

haha tru Cool I tendz tu rant a lil
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website 
talla site
Andante
Gender: Unknown

1772.24 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

jredmond wrote:
talla site wrote:
technique is to play the composer idea as perfect as possible.


i see. and how exactly are we to deduce the "composer's idea"?


hahaha, good question!! But looking for the composerīs idea is the art of piano playing... and thereīs not just one answer. Even for the composer himself.
Back to top
View user's profile 
barny_millerOffline
Largo
Joined: 20 Feb 2010
Total posts: 4
Gender: Unknown

34.03 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:26    Post subject: Re: Fastest Prokofiev 7th sonata Allegro Precipitato Ever? Reply with quote

AlexeiSultanovForever wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=17eY339td4M

This is a manipulated video, fake speed! Don't believe what you hear!

Not exactly the best interpretation but DAYUM that is incredibly fast. And more accurate than most pianists play it at 2/3 the tempo.
Back to top
View user's profile 
Rob
5.00 ziffro
13.77 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahahahahaha man thiz comment


Quote:
afertyus1000 (4 weeks ago)

not bad for a cabbage! kapustka means cabbage in english
Back to top
View user's profile 
barny_millerOffline
Largo
Joined: 20 Feb 2010
Total posts: 4
Gender: Unknown

34.03 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:48    Post subject: Re: Fastest Prokofiev 7th sonata Allegro Precipitato Ever? Reply with quote

This is clearly faked speed! I can do that with video manipulation.
javascript:emoticon('Stopwatch')
Back to top
View user's profile 
iamcanadianOffline
Fanatical Medtnerite
Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Total posts: 7695
Location: North Pole
Age: 32
Gender: Male

8528.59 ziffro
666.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would someone fake a terrible performance ?

And no, it's not fake.
Back to top
View user's profile 
pianollaOffline
Largo
Joined: 09 Oct 2009
Total posts: 11
Gender: Unknown

247.34 ziffro
0.00 sviatozlav

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
This is clearly faked speed! I can do that with video manipulation.
javascript:emoticon('Stopwatch')


this is not a fake. The guy is genuine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3_YmZp_C8Y[/youtube][/quote]
Back to top
View user's profile 
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Da Speed Demon Community Forum Index -> Da SDC Conservatory - Piano Technique n Performance All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group