Rachmaninoff vz. Zcriabin

[Slava_Pogorowitz]

You can be influenced by harmonic language but can you be influenced by melodic gift and lyricism?

[ElGordito]

Aaron copland sucks. Gaddang Hillbilliy mahler symphs. No thanks!

[Slava_Pogorowitz]

He’s second rate, but that’s better than most.

[ElGordito]

In hindsight I’ve always enjoyed what I heard of his live (billy kid, rodeo, think symp 3…) Hmmm

[Slava_Pogorowitz]

I like his Piano Vars and Sonata. Keyboard “like,” not love.

[Fake_plastic]

@Ashley_Tervort

Anotha added factor here iz da influence ov deze cumpozaz

RACH ztandz zumwut alone at an ‘end point’ ov romanticizm

Haff u heard any film muzic of da lazt 80 yearz?

[Dr.TM]

@prokmofo

Somehow one is easiah 2 lizzen 2 den da otha

Datz tru.

Whut really grabs moi wuz late Scrib is da extremely original harmony plus da crazy attention to detail n perfection of form.

[Dr.TM]

@Slava_Pogorowitz

“this really new body of feeling into the strait-jacket of the old classical sonata-form, recapitulation and all”, calling this "one of the most extraordinary mistakes in all music.

Tru. Dats a well-known quote. Scriabin felt that he needed to simplify the phrase structures to make his music “followable”

[Ashley_Tervort]

Hahaha TRU but I uzually azzociated dat wiz KORNGOLD n HOLZT etc but tru da ROCK played a part. Tho da ROCK didn’t invent a nu zoundworld zo much az define n refine an exiztin one. But tru alzo cuntradicktorily he wuz an original voice …but again cuntradicktorily da elementz ov hiz voice dat wuz original didnt really carry forward in deze influencez - u cud zay dey wuz juz az influenced by da ROCKz own influence da TCHAIK

But da ZCRIB influenced a zkool ov cumpozaz, lyk da FEINBERG, ROZLAVETZ etc.

[prokmofo]

@Dr.TM

late Scrib is da extremely original harmony plus da crazy attention to detail n perfection of form.

Tru, mozt peeple h8 diz.

[Dr.TM]

@prokmofo

mozt

Dats rite. It is not “easy listening” by any means

As for Rach, I far prefer Tchaik.

[Publius]

@Saties-Umbrella

you’re basically 99.9% right but the Siegfried Idyll is one of the finest orch pieces of the 19th century i think

Glenn Gould is that you?

[Saties-Umbrella]

hahaha it is a great piece, I’m also guilty of liking the Glenn Gould recording (as conductor)

[Publius]

@Saties-Umbrella

hahaha it is a great piece I’m also guilty of liking the Glenn Gould recording (as conductor)

Yup, I kind of like his weird piano version too. You get that Gould really enjoys Wagner emotionally and it comes across, which is pretty rare with him.

[treefingerz_TS]

wut u mofos smokin, da wagner wrote some of da greatest orchestral sheeyat evah (just go listen to the preludes and overtures from da operas, nevermind even siegfried idyll, youtube has lots of these compilations), and fo sho he had heavy influence on da rach and scrib both…full of wagnerian chords and harmonies. His orchestral shit AT LEAZT on par with da Mahler symphonies.
in mah humble opinion hahaha

[festinfurious]

Yup, imo da WANKAH one of the very few mofoz to cummah close to in terms of greatest of the greats.

[Saties-Umbrella]

I think the gould transcription and perf of that piece is one of my favorite recordings of all time… Gould (and piano) at his best