# Let me put it this way.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Pianistz\ **Created:** [September 10, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592 "2017-09-10T18:09:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/62 "2017-09-23T04:46:23Z")
Btw those Bach parts of the A minor English Suite are from a recent concert? Pretty amazing articulation, clarity & tempo, seems to be inspired by Gould? Not my taste at all, but at the very least respectable IMO. ---
**Author:** ![vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/vladspeedster/32/11979_2.png) [@vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/u/vladspeedster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 5:30am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/63 "2017-09-23T05:30:28Z")
> [@xsdc](#): > > I guess the conclusion you can draw from them is that pianists losing their wives won’t ever be the same again. At least Sokolov recovered and came back as a better man (IMO…), whereas I still don’t know what the hell happened to Pogo. Sokolov and Pogorelich form a unique case in that both of their wives were considerably older than they were. MILF lovers. I can admit to a personal understanding of this as I’ve also dated hot MILFs, have lived with them, and have had to financially take care of one as she got older as well. If you overstay–that is, if you form a relationship rather than take the popularised one-off porn approach–the age difference can put an enormous strain on your life. I mean it really becomes an existential question at some points, and the mental pressure is considerable as you’ve effectively–through choice and compulsion (it is love after all)–expedited your first-hand familiarity with mortality. I can assure you that it will change you in some irreparable manner. For Sokolov, to complicate things further, he also had some family connection tied into his marriage. I would have to look up the details as I don’t recall precisely offhand. I do however recall the effect it made when that cunt Lebrecht decided to publish his libel of assumptions. It took a handful of emails to him, replete with a silly amount of swearing (something that does not come across meaningfully without vocalisation), before he stopped his nonsense. > [@](#): > > I don’t know Pogorelich personally, but wasn’t his marriage with his teacher Kezeradze a purely platonic one? Could suppressed homosexuality be part of his mental “problems”? It could be, but it also could be that he loved her yet didn’t feel compelled to cum down her throat. I don’t want to make assumptions about anyone’s sexuality. I’ve been on the receiving end of that and I can tell you that what people assume as a possibility is often the exact opposite of how it really is. We can all think of two dozen living male pianists who we’d assume to be either homosexual or have it suppressed. But does that either inform you of anything, or many any difference? It’s like those people on Youtube who come up to me and ask, ‘Where was this recorded and when’? And I’m always like, ‘Does it make any difference to how you appreciate the performance, or are you just trying to fulfil some non-related compulsion?’ I’ve met Ivo and have had a long conversation with him, and I can tell you that he is sexually alert, which is basically the most you can assume about someone unless you meet him or her at a brothel or a gay bar\*. \*and even then it’s not for certain, as I used to attend a gay bar in Amsterdam every Saturday for the outrageous bingo session, where everyone would get pissed and would partake in a kind of orgy of sound in sexualising the Dutch numbers as they were called out by a 6’5" drag queen. It was one of my favourite events in the city and I am neither gay nor do I have it suppressed. ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 8:49am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/64 "2017-09-23T08:49:34Z")
I have met a lot of gay people and some of them even became my friends. In the artworld and in the musical world, there has always been a high percentage of homosexuals. More than often the most talented pianists are gay. From what I saw from interviews and concert performances etc, Pogo seems to me the typical gay person but you are right, looks & appearances can be deceiving… Talking about suppressed sexuality: a good friend, a Dutch piano pedagogue (yes, he was gay too!), who recently died at a very old age, knew Lili Kraus very well and she often visited him to chat about other pianists. She told the story about Claudio Arrau, that the man was soooooo unhappy, soooo troubled because he was secretly gay…who knew? If Lili was speaking the truth… I mean, I never expected that, he had a wife and three kids… Not that it makes a damn difference…I admire Arrau’s pianism no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/brewtality/32/2173_2.png) [@Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/u/Brewtality)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/65 "2017-09-23T09:30:25Z")
I’m pretty sure Arrau got arrested in a “gay sting” in Australia back in the day. I’ve never seen this mentioned in any official biography though. It makes me sad that he would have been so unhappy so I hope it wasn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/vladspeedster/32/11979_2.png) [@vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/u/vladspeedster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/66 "2017-09-23T11:02:35Z")
> [@pianoopera](#): > > had to look up what you meant with MILF oh my god. Blessed is he who has his first sight of da MILF Queendom. > [@](#): > > though it also takes away extra energy if ye know what I mean. I’m happy for you that you are experiencing such bliss. Women tend to get hornier as they enter their late 30s and into their 40s, so stay strong. That is one reason why some of us hit da insatiable MILFs. The true lust ages well. > [@](#): > > But I think in general, for a heterosexual man it’s more easy/natural to have a relation with a much younger woman than with a much older woman. Yes I agree with you. I’ve had relations both with younger and older. Either way, over time, shifts in mentality and character and all that happen no matter the age difference. Shifts in personality and manner tend to have more significant impact and receive stronger expression in women, IMO. As for pianists who were punished for their sexuality (or expression thereof), my man Naum Shtarkman got done for something like 8 years in prison by the Soviets just for how he swung. With Soviet data you never know if 8 was 2 or 5–same with Lotar-Shevchenko–but the point is that he was persecuted & imprisoned for how he lived (or tried to). He went on to marry & father AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/67 "2017-09-23T11:47:40Z")
Right. Imagine living in the Soviet Union and being both Jewish and gay… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/68 "2017-09-23T12:04:46Z")
Brewtality, see this report, page 13: [kcl.ac.uk/artshums/ahri/cen … rspoon.pdf](https://www.kcl.ac.uk/artshums/ahri/centres/menzies/Publications/Workingpapers/WP52Wotherspoon.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/brewtality/32/2173_2.png) [@Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/u/Brewtality)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/69 "2017-09-23T16:35:10Z")
Yeah that’s how I remembered the story. Honestly, reading that paper made me feel ashamed to be Australian. ---
**Author:** ![vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/vladspeedster/32/11979_2.png) [@vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/u/vladspeedster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/70 "2017-10-02T19:32:52Z")
Have you guys heard Melnikov’s Scriabin CD? The one with Sonata 9. That’s some amazing sheeyat. ---
**Author:** ![xsdc](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/xsdc/32/6860_2.png) [@xsdc](https://www.dasdc.net/u/xsdc)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/71 "2017-10-02T20:12:33Z")
Another friend and “Russophile” is very in to him as well. I’ve never explored him. ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/72 "2017-10-02T22:55:40Z")
Have to check out that CD. What I heard from Melnikov so far was pretty impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/brewtality/32/2173_2.png) [@Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/u/Brewtality)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/74 "2017-10-03T00:07:07Z")
You’re wanting to date 9 year olds TM? Better wait a few more years before you go for an 18 year gap. ![:comme:](https://www.dasdc.net/uploads/default/original/1X/54e1b23c4a12d4b54686e79268150d31074b24b3.gif "Da Comme") ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/75 "2017-10-03T00:26:50Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re wanting to date 9 year olds TM? Better leave that to Arab Sheikhs who can afford it… ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/77 "2017-10-03T02:17:42Z")
Thanks leechermofo. It certainly was the best decision of my life so far, though not an easy one. ---
**Author:** ![Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/brewtality/32/2173_2.png) [@Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/u/Brewtality)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/78 "2017-10-03T04:07:27Z")
> [@leechermofo](#): > > > [@Brewtality](#): > > > > You’re wanting to date 9 year olds TM? > > Better wait a few more years before you go for an 18 year gap. ![:comme:](https://www.dasdc.net/uploads/default/original/1X/54e1b23c4a12d4b54686e79268150d31074b24b3.gif "Da Comme") > > Dude! > That’s not my point. ![8)](https://www.dasdc.net/uploads/default/original/1X/ae031e9834d19166598edd060b063d44f1829139.gif "Cool") > Hell no I don’t want to date 9 year olds wtf. > All I said was - having a younger Japanese wife is HOT. Haha well having a younger wife is just good policy. ---
**Author:** ![vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/vladspeedster/32/11979_2.png) [@vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/u/vladspeedster)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:40am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/79 "2017-10-03T10:40:32Z")
Debargue has a new Szymanowski / Schubert CD coming out in a few weeks [https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/schubert-szymanowski/id1287146712](https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/schubert-szymanowski/id1287146712) ---
**Author:** ![88](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/88/32/3465_2.png) [@88](https://www.dasdc.net/u/88)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/80 "2017-10-03T11:02:34Z")
I think Debargues recent success is well deserved. Right from the start at the Tchaikovsky Comp. I was fascinated by this guy’s playing, and I think that all the fuss and hype created after that didn’t affect his playing in a negative way. I heard some beautiful, pure Fauré on YT. ---
**Author:** ![Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/brewtality/32/2173_2.png) [@Brewtality](https://www.dasdc.net/u/Brewtality)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/81 "2017-10-03T11:06:40Z")
Yes, he made a super strong impression on me with that Medtner sonata, which I later got to hear in person. He’s playing the programme of this disc this season so they’ll be live versions too. I’m more interested in the Szymanowski, I have enough good versions of the Schubert. Randomly, I like how they let him keep his dart in the photo, reminds me a bit of McCartney on the Abbey Road cover, doubtless da anti-smoking mofos will be up in arms. ---
**Author:** ![xsdc](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/xsdc/32/6860_2.png) [@xsdc](https://www.dasdc.net/u/xsdc)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/82 "2017-10-03T11:30:49Z")
Yes, and the encores too. I was really perplexed to hear that - I had a chance to hear a preview copy of his debut CD a few weeks or months before that came out (there’s a story behind that, but I won’t), and both me and the friends who also received it thought it took blandness to a whole new level. I had sort of written him off after that, but I guess it once again proves you need to hear pianists live. ---
**Author:** ![vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/user_avatar/www.dasdc.net/vladspeedster/32/11979_2.png) [@vladspeedster](https://www.dasdc.net/u/vladspeedster)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592/83 "2017-10-03T12:04:42Z")
> [@Brewtality](#): > > Yes, he made a super strong impression on me with that Medtner sonata, which I later got to hear in person. Damn, lucky. The Medtner was incredible, so intense. > [@](#): > > his dart First time I’ve heard it called a dart. I used to smoke a lot in Amsterdam, but I agree overall with the anti-smoking trend because I’m against the huge corporations and their basically evil influence. I’m against when the anti-smokers personally intervene with _you_, but not with the reduction in smoking overall. [Previous page](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592.md?page=3) [Next page](https://www.dasdc.net/t/let-me-put-it-this-way/16592.md?page=5)