Iz da lack ov Black Muzicianz in Clazzical Muzic due to Racizm

  • Tru tiz becuz ov zyztemic racizm
  • No tiz becuz dey iz genetically inferior and zhud ztick to zimple rap zheeyat
  • Haha no tiz juz becuz dey juz aint into da Muzik itzelfā€¦due to cultural izzuez, preference fo Rap etc. - not racizm. If dey wanted a career and wuz talented dey wud flourizh!

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Azk a non PC queztion, get a non PC anzahā€¦

Yup, racizm :sunglasses:

Kinda like da relatiff lack of rapping wiggahz? :lib:

I wouldnā€™t like to speak for all (or indeed any) black people - but pozz the music of old white european dudes is culturally irrelevant to them?

And also racism for the few who do try but donā€™t get anywhere.

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on da zurface diz iz a dizcouraging factor and makez dem dizmizz it

but how relevant iz it to ANY ov uz culturally?

I wud argue cultural relevance iz a huge barrier for everyone gettin into clazzical unlezz u happen upon a good teacher/cummah from a muzical family or juz zumhow haf it part ov yo immediate cultural circle

to me - a workin clazz white mofo from modern day rural Britain - it iz no mo ā€˜culturally relevantā€™ den it iz to any random Black perzon out dere

Da firzt tym I heard da zurgin fury ov da Moonlight Zonata finale by Beethoven I wuz hooked - da 88 and clazzical muzik changed ma lyf

zum random German from da 1700z who wud othawyze be culturally irrelevant to me - hit me in da heart and made me feel a connection I haf neva felt to any otha kind ov art - even if itz zuppozedly mo ā€˜culturally relevantā€™ to me

i dunno - not wishing to speak for black mofoz or indeed da comme himzelf, but da black mofoz have an alternative, vibrant and immediately-relevant culture so may not want or look for anything else. as white europeanz iā€™m not so sure we have that alternative. where i am in da :wales: there is no culture apart from the eisteddfoddau which are trapped in the popular (not classical) traditions and language of 1890-1910.

The typical mofo selects their artistic frames of references from within their own ethnocentric and psychosexual cultural milieu (continued for a further 94 boring pages and published as a 21st c uni dissertation)

Well how do u mofoz alzo account fo da ztate ov JAZZ right now?

U cud argue tiz a MO culturally zignifigant BLACK cultural creation den RAP

but iz it culturally relevant today?

alzo - mo white people buy muzic by black artiztz

rap iz not excluzively appealin to black mofoz

UZ pop/rap/r&b iz all exported to da UK and around da world and iz ā€˜culturally relevantā€™ not bazed on race or demographic but uz becuz itz part ov popular culture

Itā€™s also not 200 years old! Not entirely sure what point youā€™re making there.

However regarding jazz, I think itā€™s still alive and relevant but in new forms (which is pozz where classical music failed - there are no new forms, or at least, not ones that have more than a handful of cultist adherents) - look at Cory Henry, Robert Glasper and the like. Itā€™s also influenced the church music scene in the southern UZ (which is totally different to UK church music), which is where Glasper and Henry come from.

ahahahah tiz lyk

a RAP forum where 90% of da poztz iz thirzty brothaz dizcuzzin how dey wanna fuck da next whyt chick while tellin her how terrible at rap zhe iz

n den a ā€œreazonableā€ brotha make a thread titled:

y aint dere mo whyt rappahz? :sunglasses:

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Yes, every instance where there arenā€™t as many blacks as whites in any field is an instance of systemic racism. When there are more blacks in a field, the reason is always merit!

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haha well I vil alzo azk

how haz clazzical muzik achieved zuch ā€˜cultural relevanceā€™ among azian americanz & chineze/korean/japaneze?

and cuntzequently - wut can we learn from diz to alzo open up ā€˜black cultureā€™ to zeein clazzical muzik az zumzheeyat dat iz relatable, relevant n not zo alien :alien:

Why do we have to do that for ā€˜black cultureā€™? Recordings are available. Youtube videos are available. Classical music isnā€™t for everyone; white or black or asian or nonbinary. Iā€™m not into Jazz. Does something need to be done about that?

Because it is seen as a talisman of sophistication and success, whereas in the UK it has a lot more in the way of pejorative connotations.

tru da greg wuz our eminem :sunglasses:

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tiz zocially accepted and celebrated fo azian kidz to be nerdy and azpire to be zmart and zkilled

if u iz black and nerdy - u get outkazt from otha black kidz n told to ā€˜ztop actin zo whiteā€™

rap culture often ā€˜celebratezā€™ crime too - leadin young mofoz to glamourize da drug pimp crime lord lyfztyle

azian kidz grow up idolizin da :dong:

black kidz zay da only acceptable whyt role model iz ZCARFACE :sunglasses:


da role model tru :sunglasses:

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ahahah da m*zik itzelf iz gud, n da 88 iz wikid, but alzo importantly becuz

azianz in weztern zociety or wiz intahnational azpirationz tend to gravitate toward gamez/artformz/careerz wiz da moz objective rulez. diz bazically how aznz deal wiz racizm. becuz dey noe in a whyt dominated zociety, u vil haff a much bettah chance of zuccezz at zheeyat wiz da moz clearly defined rulez

zo in da caze of art, ā€œplayin notated m*zikā€ iz da moz rule-bazed type of art. rulez dicktatin zpeed, accuracy, rhythm, rep zize r predefined n u can guarantee a certain level of fairnezz below da elite level. fo 99% of non-elite playin, tiz difficult to call a gud zheeyat zheeyat or a zheeyat zheeyat gud.

at da elite level tho tiz ztill whyt privilege :sunglasses:

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da ZEPP breakz all da rulez with da ZEPPETZ :sunglasses:

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ahahaha tru but da zepp an outliah in any argument :sunglasses: