I already explained that it is a combination of factors, not just influence. The fact that the majority of Romantic composers cite Mozart as their favorite composer while not being influenced in a compsing sense speaks volumes.
Mozart left a vast and top quality oeuvre in essentially every single major category. Putting him anywhere other than top tier is laughable.
Objectively Chopin is highly overrated as a composer. It is one thing to only be able to write for one genre (Mahler, Sibelius, Wagner, Verdi). It is another to only write for a single instrument and still be so highly regarded as Chopin is. It is a testament to the quality and popularity of Chopin’s music that he is able to get into A tier.
I’m assuming you don’t get around much classical music other than piano.
I’m not sure you appreciate the difference between objective and subjective. An objective list would be based on a set if identified and accepted assessment criteria. Since appreciation of art is inherently subjective, I’m not entirely sure it’s possible to make an objective assessment.
So let’s just call this what it is… another ‘list your favourite composers’ thread.
As we can see from da X’s replies, people who only know piano tend to overstate Chopin’s importance and understate Mozart’s. Chopin does not belong on any first tier, while I’d argue Mozart certainly does.
Well, yeah, but how does that rhyme with him being overrated?
He was one of the key figures who invented the 19th century, his works were recognised already in his own time and unlike almost every other major composer they have never had a dip in esteem or popularity since. He has technical excellence in addition to force of personality, he mastered small forms as well as large, and during the 20th C he is the most performed composer at the piano by almost a factor of 2. I placed him next to Bach since I find him a very difficult figure to deduct points from. With Beethoven you can argue he relied on force of personality and that he’s lacking in melodic brilliance etc, with Mozart that he didn’t invent and drove music forward, but with Chopin there’s really nothing objective you can say which holds water.
As I stated earlier it is a subjective while trying to remove biases. It is whom I think is most important to the classical canon, not based on any objective metric
I think I wud appreciate hiz workz mo if I lived in hiz tym
Mozartz muzic, to me, iz very emotionally zhallow
I know dat itz relative - and muzik itzelf iz relative - zo actually when I immerze myzelf in Mozart - I actually feel da emotional zhadez in hiz work more
But in da relative cuntext ov regularly liztenin to compozaz ov da romantic era - hiz compozitionz juz zound ‘cute’ ‘light’ and annoyingly bright.
Except not everything in classical music is about piano?
To compare him with Bach, who was a genius in every aspect of music from keyboard, solo violin, solo cello, organ, voice, strings, brass, woodwinds, small ensembles, large ensembles, concerti, cantatas, masses—versus Chopin who was only a genius in piano…
No comparison whatsoever.
I would even argue that Bach’s keyboard music ALONE is as important as Chopin’s entire ouevre. The WTC, AoF, Musical Offering, Goldberg Variations, and the various suites, toccatas, fantasies…