Beethoven lacking in melodic brilliance an objective statement? 
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Daim. Da dozen or more TRAGIK late pimp works dun count?
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My top 5 composers:
Schumann
Bach
Ives
Sibelius
Beethoven
Kan and Liszt would be somewhere in top 20
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Hahah dey haf gensui but da Chop almoz monotonouzly dezcending melody n chromadickly dezcendin harmony iz almoz lyk an exercize in compozition but iz zumhow inzanely exprezzive perfection
Where do u place Janacek? one ov few cumpozaz where I can hear a direct lineage from da Zhoe
He is in high C
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Hahah zubjectif or objectiv?
I wuz zurprized how high u put GRIEG alzo
Which iz incidentally anotha proof ov da ZHOEz influence
Yeah…Grieg and Nielsen should trade spots
Hahah I meant objectively
Becuz da GRIEG iz da perfect example ov a cumpoza dat u look at wut he did n go…daim objectively he zhouldnt be az big a cumpoza az he iz
and yet he iz
and datz juz becuz ov da zheer power ov zubjective love people haf fo hiz muzik
Da Grieg 88 conc incidentally wuz da 
z fav 88 conc
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Zame with da Chop
Cumparing Chop 88 with Bach 88 iz like Shakezpeare vs da TOLKIEN:
Lord of da Ringz iz loved by millionz of people of all agez and while being eazy to read and underztand it iz ztill emotionahlly ZTRONG and containz mature themez
While Shakezpeare iz not zo fun or eazy to read at firzt glance but ztill containz amazing ztoriez and wordplay when you take yo time wit it
Which one mo important to Englizh literature? Probably SHAKEZPEARE. But which one mo fun and help kidz ztart to read? Da JRR
Yes, I think that is a legit point of view tbh.
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Tru, but most juz get exposed to
“Baby Shark”
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I’ve found that my appreciation of da 
decreases with age and my appreciation of da 
increases with age.
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But perceived ‘importance’ iz a pretentiouz barometer to cumpare artiztz by
I zuppoze tiz da only way to be ‘objective’
But by diz token da BRENDULL becummah a greatah penizt den da ZIFF
N if u dun c anyzheeyat wrong wiz diz den… 
Well in da end none of it matterz zince da cuntpozahz we like to lizten to da mozt shouldn’t have anything to do wit whether they iz objectively great or not
Dis thread waz in rezponze to da zheeyat mentioned in “Iz 
da GOAT?”
People first introduced into classical tend to think that Liszt is incredible
Then you get more experienced and you think Liszt is simply a bombastic showman
Finally you realize that Liszt was much more than a showman; in fact a composer who changed the face of music with his ideas on chromaticism and harmony
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I never thought that, not even with pieces like the Grand Galop or HR 6
Da mini TM thought “daim dat sounds cool, I want to play like daddy Cziffra”
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Hahaha I neva even once in ma entire lyf went thro a phaze lyk diz
diz ghey ‘pretentiouz maturity’ iz ghey
Muzic neva ztruck me az havin to be either virtuozic or emotionally and muzically zubztantial
I alwayz felt from da ztart dat it can be both
“To be more than a virtuoso , you must first be a virtuoso” - 
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Tru. Certain sheeyats speak to yo heart directly
Da ziff head thrusting GGC unleash excited da young TM to do music professionally. I did not even think of da “tech display” dere.
Dat perf is much more den dat
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