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Can Yo Link Yo Ass To Da Pimp?
This way is less fun than going pedagogically. Although I can only go back to Busoni, through Petri, Sitsky and Lancaster.
For Trifonov I see:
Pimp > Ziloti > Igumnov > Flier > Pletnev > Babayan
Is there a quicker way?
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Yeah they’ve made it pretty easy. My teacher studied with Yves Nat, who was friends with Saint-Saens and Faure. Making a direct pedagogical link is harder.
Surely there’s a link from Buz to Liszt?
I can get to Buz and Brahms pedagogically, but if we go by meetings, then Brahms - Liszt.
I saw a teacher family tree zumwhere. Was it on here?
Da buz was “disappointed” by da pimp’s Emperor… iirc that’s in Walker as the time his barber caught a finger and he had to refinger the lh.
I’ve got a Russian one from Andjaparidze but I haven’t yet gone through it to confirm. I’m not sure if I saved the ones that used to be on a piano teacher mapping site
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Are we really going to say that Horowitz was taught by Godowsky?
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There’s this one
And the one Vlad mentions I think I also remember and it might be this one? (Currently down for maintenance)
https://www.pianogenealogy.com.au
My teacher studied with Jacques FĂ©vrier and Nadia Boulanger, so I can get around pretty well.
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Yeah this sounds ridiculous AFAIK. There’s an interesting line w/ his legit teacher Pukhalsky. I’m pretty sure I have a good tree somewhere but my stuff is disorganised.
The other dubious one is Rubinstein studying with Paderewski. I know he played for him in his youth, but you can’t really call that studying. The weird thing about Horowitz’s appearance there is Blumenfeld is right there. Strange.
Thanks, yes that’s it, you can see it on Wayback. They had some very detailed maps, and I think some were better before they adopted the rounded look…
https://web.archive.org/web/20170219013258/https://www.pianogenealogy.com.au
I think it’s cool how all these lines become connected. Practically speaking it doesn’t really matter who your great great grand teacher was, but it’s still neat. Of my three main teachers, I never even asked who two of them studied with. All I know is one went through Kiev conservatory, the other through RCM.
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Busoni’s not on any line?
Well technically, Liszt > Reinecke > Busoni.
But we always seem to assume that he was self-taught. Just like every line goes back to Beethoven and that’s it.
I don’t even know if that’s correct. Reinecke was a Leipziger and we know what Liszt thought of them! Is he included on Walker’s pupil list? And can we even confirm that Busoni studied with Reinecke?
Tru, I can’t remember the name of the college teacher my adelaide teacher learnt with so might be another link.
How do you define teacher/student though? Like having one lesson with da pimp wouldn’t make you his student really.
You need to have a certain amount of lessons. I’m not sure how many. For example, I don’t consider Argerich to be ABM’s student, because he only gave her 4 lessons (if I sheeyat correctly).
True, enough to change your thinking or what you’re doing IMO - which can be very few. But it’s also something I think only the “pupil” knows, and may not always be truthful about.
I suppose it can be a combination of time spent learning with someone, and what they gave you. For example, none of my teachers influenced me musically, and only the last one really helped technically, but the others were still my teachers. Another example, Horowitz was extremely reluctant to give any credit to Tarnowsky for his development. Would one consider Richter’s father as his first teacher or do we consider him self-taught?