Yes, Nijinski too. I’m surprised I missed Alkan.
That’s Dumas fils btw, Dumas is in the Panthéon, as is Zola. Interestingly Marie Duplessis, whose live he fictionalised in la dame aux camélias (which Verdi turned into La Traviata) is also buried there.
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Yeah, all part of the symbolism of the Wagner cult. Probably him mouthing “Tristan” as he died (great work though it is) is also Cosima’s invention. Somehow I think there’s a lot she never forgave him for.
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I remember in Walker it said that there was a push to move Liszt’s remains to Weimar, but Cosima would only allow it if he got the same treatment as Goethe and Shiller, which apparently they were unwilling to do. Have there really been no further attempts to make his final resting place more appropriate?
Yes, he wasn’t a good father to her. He did a much better job with Princess Carolyne’s daughter.
I don’t remember that tbh. I assume it’s in volume 3, which I didn’t read some parts of as thoroughly as others (a bit depressing).
Yes it was in there. I’ll have to go look for it.
Yeah he was a crap father to Cosima, but he was also a young man with the world at his feet and all kinds of temptations being thrown at him. The harsh truth is that Liszt was right, just as he was over the accusations of him being war-shy over the Hungarian revolution. MUCH better for the world and for posterity that he didn’t settle into Marie’s ideas of cosy domesticity, or get himself killed pointlessly.
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Man, this is decisively a weird way to spend a Friday night, but if Montmartre is large Père Lachaise [Chopin] looks gigantic. Also spotted d’Agoult, Delacroix, Fourier, Laplace, Rossini, Bellini, Bizet, Poulenc, Pleyel, etc there.
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True, although I think Bellini was subsequently removed, and scattered somewhere (like Callas). Enescu’s right near Bizet, as is Marie d’Agoult. Oscar Wilde’s there too, but he’s behind plexiglass due to that annoying fad of putting lipstick marks on his tombestone, which was actually damaging it. Some of these cemetries have maps which mark out where people are, because you’ll never find people you’re looking for if you just wander randomly.
True, Liszt’s reputation as a performer was kind of built at the expense of his children’s childhood. I think at one point he didn’t see them for 8 years. That’s a huge chunk of their childhoods, and in the case of Blandine and Daniel, their lives.
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Some excerpts from Walker, vol 3
Even as the mourners were leaving the Bayreuth cemetery, there were murmurs of discontent about the choice of Liszt’s burial-place. Everybody realized that it was a misfortune for the master to have died in Bayreuth. And Liszt himself seemed to have had a premonition of the trouble it would cause. Had he known that he would die in the city of Wagner, the chances are that he would never have set out on that last, fatal journey. In the event, the drama that began to unfold even as his coffin was being lowered into the ground equalled anything he had experienced during his lifetime.
From the Hungarian point of view, then, that meant that no legal obstacle need be placed in the way of returning the body to Budapest.
Cosima meanwhile made it known that she had no objection to her father’s remains being transferred to Hungary, providing the request came from both houses of the legislature and Liszt was accorded national honours. A petition was now got up from the citizenry of Hungary requesting that Liszt be brought home. On February 26, 1887, the Hungarian legislature received the petition and debated the question. Prime Minister Kálmán Tisza got up and made an unfortunate speech, the burden of which was that Liszt was not a patriotic Hungarian, and that Liszt had made a gift of Hungarian music to the Gypsies. It was an unpardonable gaffe, one which re-opened old wounds at a difficult time. More to the point, it incensed Cosima and ensured that whatever the outcome, she would never allow her father to be buried on Hungarian soil.
The Weimar case was also compelling. Liszt had spent thirteen of his most productive years in the city. For the last seventeen years of his life he had maintained a home there; his masterclasses in the Hofgärtnerei had become an institution. And his links with Weimar’s royal household were strong. When Carl Alexander heard that Liszt was to be buried in Bayreuth, he offered to have the remains transferred to Weimar. His view was that if Hungary had a claim, then Weimar had an even stronger one. On October 14 he wrote to Cosima to say that Weimar wanted to build for her father a mausoleum worthy of his name. But Cosima attached an impossible condition: she requested that Liszt’s body be buried in the royal vault, side by side with Goethe and Schiller. To this request the grand duke was unable to accede, and a moment’s reflection will tell us why. When his grandfather Carl August had commanded that the bodies of Goethe and Schiller be brought into the royal vault to sleep with him and his ancestors in perpetuity, the honour was without precedent. The whole of Germany still stood in awe of that remarkable gesture. Liszt would have had no place in such surroundings. Unlike Goethe and Schiller, he symbolized nothing for the German nation, and his presence in the vault would have struck a jarring note.
So I guess it’s not necessarily Cosima being petty. Getting politicians involved is always a bad idea. Still, it doesn’t sit right him being buried in Bayreuth.
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In a way, it was Liszt’s own ‘fault’ by being too cosmopolitan. But it seems to me that the four major cities in Liszt’s life - Budapest, Weimar, Rome, Paris - would be all more appropriate for his last resting place than Bayreuth.
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I’d vote for Weimar I think. He was born in to a German speaking family, and had a strong and lasting connection with Weimar he didn’t with the other cities.
He still preferred to speak French though! I’d also vote for Weimar, however.
Yes… perhaps the easiest alternative to defend is to return him to Raiding Austria.