What would program well with Zhoe Op 17

Programming is so hard. Not like python or Java bullshit, but rectal programming.

I suddenly had this epiphany of putting together in a program Zhoe Op 17, Chopin Op 49, Schubert Wanderer, and Falla Baetica. Because who doesn’t like a rectal fantasy. Ehrm, sorry, a fantasy rectal.

But then it quickly sounded like a bad idea.

So. What goes well with Zhoe Fantasie.


What about a C Major program.

Zart 330, Waldstein Zon, Zhoe Fantasie?


And Zhoe Op 7 as an encore :wink:

I’m normally scared of C major fatigue but somehow that program doesn’t sound too crazy…

hey, i had that thought a while back! c major arabeske, fantasy, and toccata all back to back

I’d say do some pimp


I’ve only practiced pimp in 2020. I need a break :slight_smile:

The Schumann, paired with the Busoni Piano Concerto arranged for solo piano.


I like programs that mix up larger pieces and smaller ones. Da Ho ideal pairing I figure if you check out his concertography.

Hmmm, a classical sonata will go well with it, pozz.

Horowitz programmed it with other big ballbusters on the same prog:

February 10, 1939: Salle Pleyel, Paris, France

Scarlatti: Three Sonatas [unspecified]
Schumann: Fantasy in C major, Op.17
Brahms: Variations on a theme by Paganini, Op.35

Chopin: Barcarolle in F-sharp major, Op.60
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor [unspecified]
Chopin: Mazurka in F minor [unspecified]
Chopin: Etude in F major, Op.25 No.3
Chopin: Etude in G-flat major, Op.25 No.9 (Butterfly)
Liszt: Sonetto 104 del Petrarca
Liszt: Au bord d’une source
Liszt: Paganini Etude No.2 in E-flat major


January 25, 1940: Academy of Music, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Mendelssohn: Prelude & Fugue in F minor, Op.35 No.5
Schumann: Fantasy in C major, Op.17
Schumann: Toccata in C major, Op.7

Chopin: Barcarolle in F-sharp major, Op.60
Chopin: Mazurka in E minor, Op.41 No.2
Chopin: Mazurka in C-sharp minor, Op.41 No.1
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.10 No.4
Chopin: Etude in G-flat major, Op.10 No.5 (Black Key)
Chopin: Etude in C-sharp minor, Op.25 No.7
Chopin: Etude in B minor, Op.25 No.10 (Octave)
Debussy: Etude No.1 (Pour les cinq doigts - d’après Monsieur Czerny)
Debussy: Etude No.4 (Pour les sixtes)
Debussy: Etude No.8 (Pour les agréments)
Debussy: Etude No.6 (Pour les huit doigts)
Horowitz: Variations on a theme from Bizet’s Carmen

April 4, 1946: Academy of Music, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Haydn: Sonata in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:52
Schumann: Fantasy in C major, Op.17
Prokofiev: Toccata in D minor, Op.11

Debussy: Prelude No.5 from Book II (Bruyères)
Debussy: Prelude No.6 from Book II (General Lavine - Eccentric)
Debussy: Etude No.11 (Pour les arpèges composés)
Debussy: Etude No.1 (Pour les cinq doigts - d’après Monsieur Czerny)
Chopin: Ballade No.1 in G minor, Op.23
Chopin: Nocturne in F-sharp major, Op.15 No.2
Horowitz: Mendelssohn’s Wedding March & Variations (after Liszt)


tru, rectal iz faztah n tightah, but da cumpiled output iz often not az clean :sunglasses:


fantasia themed program?

Scriabin nocturne-fantasy
Copland / Corigliano if you’re into that

Zhoe fant, medtner fairy talze, Zcrib fant randomly imo

Carmen encore :ho:

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one Kan only wundah at why da feztinmofo passed on da oppurtuntiy fo a private lesson with da fuckin KAT

fo da ZART k397

Bach Fantasy & Fugue BWV 944 6 minutes
Zhoe Fantasy 30-32 minutes
Pimp Dante Fantasia quasi Sonata 15-19 minutes
Scrib Sonata No. 2 “Sonata-Fantasy” 11-12 min

There you go! A sick rectal that’ll last about 65-70 minutes.


I was thinking in the same direction. A “fantastic” program.

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zo berlioz zheeyat in encore ? :doc:


Rather than combining pieces which share a name, why don’t you combine pieces which either share or contrast sentiment? After all the fantasies you listed (Schu, Chop and that turd by Schubert) have nothing in common.

A love and desire piece like op. 17 could be contrasted w/ one of Liszt’s serious death / death-minded pieces (not Totentanz). You could also find a work which is more sinister or malevolent or evil to balance op. 17. There’s quite a lot of that in obscure early 20th C. Russian rep.

Bach 944 is a good call. B-L 543 would work well too.

Consider a few of Stravinsky’s op. 7 etudes too. 1 and 3 have a beautiful atmosphere of longing and unease.

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tru, let’s stop thinking like da lezboo, hu considered da 2 versions of da Liszt Lubegubre Gondola to be programmable in as a set.

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Thanks! I like this.

Another thing I had in mind at some point was to pair the op17 with a few Kapustin etudes and then Ravel Gaspard. But I couldn’t see that clicking either.

As you mentioned the Russian early XX repertoire, maybe simply the Schumann and one of the big Prok sonatas might work? (not quite ‘early’ XX century, though) What about Medtner? Although for my taste Medtner is too ‘hit and miss’

As TM said above also, just adding a classical sonata could be interesting…


Ignaz “Daddy” Friedman

Nov 2 Stockholm: Brahms: Handel Variations, Chopin: Sonata op. 58, Schumann: Fantasie, Stojowksi: Theme cracovien varie, Friedman: Minuetto Vecchio, Schulz Evler: Blue Danube

Nov 11 Oslo: Schumann: Faschingschwank aus Wien, Fantasie, Symphonic Etudes, Carnaval

Apr 19 Madrid: Gluck-Friedman: Ballet, Mozart: Rondo K. 511, Beethoven: Bagatelle b, Schumann: Fantasie, Chopin: Sonata op. 35, Valse, Etude, Friedman: Minuetto Vecchio, Elle Danse, Barcarolle, Etude, Godowsky: Fledermaus, Liszt: Campanella

Sep 25 Rio de Janeiro: Chopin: Sonata op. 35, Schumann: Fantasie, Chopin: Nocturne op. 62, Barcarolle, Ballade op. 52, Andante Spianato & Polonaise.

May 8 Lisbon: Schumann: Fantasie, Chopin: Sonata op. 35, Liszt: Liebestraume, Don Juan

Jul 9 Wellington: Gluck-Friedman: Ballet, Scarlatti: Pastorale, Gluck: Gavotte, Dandrieu: Les Fifres, Schumann: Fantasie, Chopin: Barcarolle, Etudes (3), Fantasie Impromptu op., Poldini: Etude, Debussy: Soiree dans Grenade, Strauss-Friedman: Voices of Spring, encores: Chopin: Valse 64#1, Prelude 15, Etude 25#9, Friedman: Minuetto Vecchio, Wagner: Magic Fire

Feb 21 Mexico City: Beethoven: Andante Favori, Schumann: Fantasie, Chopin: Nocturne op. 15#2, Etudes (3), Mazurka, Scherzo op. 39, Albeniz: Triana, Liszt: Leggierezza, Moszkowski: Jongleuse, Rubinstein: Barcarolle, Valse Caprice.

May 5 Adelaide: Schumann: Fantasie, Weber: Rondo Brilliante, Chopin: 4 Ballades (WTF??), Brahms: Intermezzo A, Ballade op. 10#4, Paganini Variations



sharing ‘a name’ is precisely what you’re talking about though, sharing a sentiment… the fantasia / fantasy is a genre, not simply a title with no meaning. and obviously if you play pieces that range in music history about 250 years (from Bach to Scrib to Schubert to Copland, e.g.) you get precisely pieces that also ‘contrast sentiment’ (or at least style) lol?

oh, now that i’ve written this i see you were responding to someone else… but maybe you just dont like the Schubert wanderer? i can do without that pimp dante crap myself… but nevertheless the fantasia is a really amazing genre to explore… if someone wanted to branch out they could play music by John Bull, the Szymanowsky fantasy which nobody plays, one of the Froberger fantasias, the Carter Night Fantasies, etc

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