Why Don't More Classical Musicians Impro?

So? And I could show you a hundred examples of Jazz pianists playing classical competently. What does that prove?

Also, he’s quite clearly showing how to play Scriabin in an improvisational style. That’s not a ‘serious’ performance of the score as written.

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What does pointing out that Berezovsky plays bad jazz or someone improvised badly? It is the same thing.

I am just coming back to my basic point: From the point of view of the listener, it is the sound of the music that counts. Nothing else

Currently listening to Keith Jarrett After the fall

Really great music :heart:

Haha da difference iz da :whale: made zum highly queztionable claimz about jazz & impro, n den proceeded to zhow every1 he’z full of zheeyat on dat very subject.

Tru!

Alzo, Keith iz one of da rare mofoz who haff azzimilated jazz language, european clazzical language n alzo gozpel/bluez. A legendary mofo.

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Could you please point out to me the exact quote and source for the Berezovsky statement?

Randomly give this a listen:

Fred Hersch - Scriabin Prelude 11/2 improv

And this:

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Hahaha I wuz actualy juz rezpondin to da ROBBAH’z :whale: quote.
I dunno where dat came from :sunglasses:

Gonna expand on this, because it’s important to me.

They are intersecting aesthetics. How much they intersect will depend on the mofo in question and probably also upon the nature of what’s being composed. eg: I find it really difficult to believe that da pimpzon was to a significant level impro, some of the ideas might have been generated that way, but I’d say it’s pretty clear there was a lot of intellectual design work going on. Da Tot, I bet quite a bit of the ideas were originally impro and the structure was thought about in a framework external to impro. (There is an anecdote about :pimp:'z Paris neighbours getting pissed off about his late night improz on the Dies Irae.) The parasheeyats I’m almost certain are almost entirely progressive impro (impro on impro) with editorial control added after.

Fred Herzch iz a legend.

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Had you asked me a few years ago I would probably have said that that was amazing, but I have learned to say what I believe in recent years. That simply had very little emotional effect on me. I listened to it and it was sort of nice and intersting but I felt that the emotional “spectrum” was very limited. The original, however, is painfully beautiful. There is real human emotions (for me) in the original, but the jazz version (for me) sounden conformed in the same way lots of art is today

For the sake of clarity: I am only talking about the way the music sounded. The pianist is obviously very talented

I think we should have the full picture before we comment on what he said. At the same time it is quite obvious that he, if the quote is true, would not be claiming that jazz musicians are not improvising in the way people normal when they are referring to jazz improvisation

My bigger point: Why should lovers of classical music be defensive about the music we love? I simply believe that classical music is the greatest music there is. I don’t care that it is not improvised. I simply love the music and care for the music more than anything else.

I am sure lots of jazz musicians/listeners feel that jazz music is the greatest music that exists. Why should we be defensive about it

To that I’d say, I agree it is one of the pinnacles of creation, but the general inability of classical musicians to improvise is frankly more than a bit embarrassing.

Especially when you have people going on about historical authenticity when they can’t do what was almost expected of a performer at the time.

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To be honest, I really don’t care. I am all about the music now :innocent:

Although from the perspective of a performer, I can see your point

He also calls it a “song” :laughing: Rezpec da SDC lingo

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I’m looking forward to da next TM public rectal and him writing the programme notes in da lingo
:tmfury:

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How about this?

Solo starts at ~4:05 and goes to the end. Very classical in style, and very emotional.

FYI, I’m not trying to convert anyone here. I don’t believe that either classical or jazz are superior to each other. I love them both, but they are different and require different skillsets. However, I think top quality classical pianists are a dime a dozen, while great Jazz pianists are very few and far between. Make of that what you will.

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Da remixed SCRIB!

Genzui!!!

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Will listen tomorrow. It’s 2am here.

A great jazz pianist is like a composer

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Very tru.