Yeah I don’t think they’re spontaneous at all, tbh.
Again, that is not particularly exact. Or doesn’t show why that doesn’t exist in jazz. Maybe shows why you don’t like it, i.e. you can’t see it there?
I agree 
Da zepp’z only zemi-cuntroverzial opinion iz dat
Bazed on da CHOP’z written down cumpoz
Tiz impozz to judge hiz impro ability
Fo all we know, he cud haff been hunched ovah at da 88, noodlin thru 5 hourz of inane worthlezz zheeyat only to hit upon one wikid phraze which he den proceed to write down n expand into a 90 sec waltz. Zo da final product iz wikid, but to zit thru all 5 hourz of dat noodlin zezzion, u wud haff to luv da CHOP mo den da george zand evah did
Zo da zepp general view iz zlitely different from da COMME
Ie
A gensui impro mofo iz alwayz a gud cumpozah
A gensui cumpozah mofo iz not necezzarily a gud impro mofo
Diz eazy to undahztand becuz a wikid impro eztablizh a worzt-caze-zcenario bottom lyn fo cumpo, while a wikid cumpo cannot eztablizh da zame fo impro
YES
Is it because they can’t or because it has fallen out of favour, so they don’t learn it? Honestly, I’ve seen some of your impros, and I don’t get why they should be “second rate”.
It’s just not an expected skill, nor part of current performance practise… imo. I guess that the separation of musicians into composers and pianists, rather than ones who can do both, has a lot to do with it.
I find it very natural, but my experience around musicians is that my feelings are unusual. daTM is pretty good as well. But how often will either of us ever impro in a recital?
Haha diz may be tru but realizdickally can u name a zingle JAZZ impro mofo u wud ratha lizn to noodlin fo 5 hrz?
Look, it’s not there - you can’t pretend jazz and classical are the same thing. They’re two completely different styles of music with two completely different aims. If you think jazz is just another style of Chopin I rather think it’s you who haven’t understood Chopin than I who haven’t understood jazz.
I see, so people can’t do it because they’re not expected to, but that does not mean that one who learns the principles of improvisation can’t do it, albeit they are classically trained.
I do hope you often get to do that.
I just think it’s an area conventional (classical) training bypasses. I used to go to regular masterclass type sessions and in all the years I went, I only met one other mofo who could improvise!
I’ve done it since I was about 6 or 7. It was always natural to me, and I don’t fully know how to rationalise that, or how to do it, tbh.
You aren’t giving any particular arguments about it, X. Also, we are strictly talking about improvisation, I think.
I did not intend to say that, rather that the improvisational techniques Chopin used should not be that different (or dare I say, possibly less advanced) than what jazz musicians, who came 100 years after him, used/use.
ahahaha diz hard to anzah becuz u dun noe wut da exact CHOP noodlin level wuz lyk
if it wuz lyk znippetz of da 10/4 cut into random ordah zpread ovah 5 hourz, i vil cuntzidah attendin in lieu of a top jazz mofo
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I would VERY easily listen to 5 hours of Joe Pass or Oscar Peterson noodling, thank you very much.
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Don’t Indian classical mofos do Multi hour raga shite. Dots not feathers.
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Yes, carnatic music is based on a very idiosyncratic style of modal improvisation. Really cool, unique music.
Haha I lyk zum Tatum n Petahzon fo zhor. 
But if da CHOP improvz were at da level ov even hiz weakezt workz lyk da allegro de concert op 46, I wud ratha lizn to dat
Datz juz ma tazte, no rezpec to da jazz mofoz zinz I juz prefah da chop ztyle 
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
i wud rathah lizten to a MENACE IMPRO den diz
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U noe u iz tru fan ov da CHOP when u able to zit tho diz piece
Diz bazically wut I imagine a chop impro zezzion wud zound lyk
Alas, since there is no Chopin improv on tape or any specific writing on it (that I know of), I guess we’ll never know how he improvised exactly.
ahaha da COMME MO DEN a tru fan accordin to diz criteria
zince u haff to lizten to it while ztarin at da face of da fuckin MT 
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