That is the thing. Legends don’t have sheeyat tym. I thought about this myself several years ago, just about all pianists I could think of who are generally considered “great” also have a marked, accurate and completely innate sense of rhythm in their playing. With Liszt and Richter for instance we also know the metronome never was far from their piano.
They all have other qualities as well, but with both Argerich, Cziffra and Libetta - at least - I think their main selling point is their tech, and the excitement they generated through it. If you take that away from them, there’s not much left. I wouldn’t say BG builds his concerts on flashy tech however, but I for my part at least have been bothered more than once by that there’s no sense for rhythm in his playing, even when the composer has specifically indicated its importance in the score.
In the clip, he’s giving himself so much time for the lh jumps, trying to avoid rape risk, that he’s gone down to about half tempo. But it sounds like he kinda loses the pulse altogether. A bit weird.
I think ziff is very rhythmic, even when he really distorts stuff like in the Faust waltz, there’s a clear forward motion and you know where the barlines are.
But it iz TRU dat hiz tech allowed him to haf da inzane accelerandoz n zpontaniouz burztz ov zpeed
When U zay excitement iz generated thro tech - it dependz wut u mean…
if u mean da excitement iz from obzervin technical featz - diz happenz tru
But in da caze ov da ZIFF da tech iz at da zervice ov both a feat ov virtuozity n alzo an ability to colour da muzik wiz burztz ov acceleration n deceleration dat wud not be pozz wizout da tech - n diz iz da TRU definiton ov virtuozity -
A rare feat ov technical zkill applied toward a gensui exprezziv muzikal end.
Take fo example da YUJA n da HANDJOB - dey haf pozz zimilah tech levelz but when u hear da BEE tranz in deir handz it zound colourlezz n dull
Zo zayin da ZIFF main zellin point iz hiz tech iz a mizzin half da pikcha…
obzerve da fact dat da TRU HIGHLIGHT ov hiz HR6 iz actually da fuckin central moizt zect
Da MOTEL zhred thro da final part wiz gensui but da ZIFF bringah a tru zoul to da central zect dat make da finale mo excitin dezpite zlite zl*wah tymin
Tiz lyk da ZIFF reminizcin about da harzhnezz ov hiz lyf n den cummah to joyouz freedom
Da MOTEL juz zound lyk a mofo hu zuffahd a teenage breakup n proceed to give up on chix n entah into a mazturbation frenzy
With , pozz. is a poet as well as a virtuoso. Not an intellectual, in the conventional sense, I’ll grant that, but imo the most instinctive musician I’ve ever heard on da 88.
Hahah Actually I juz googled Cziffra HR 6 n top rezult cummah 88 ztreet topix includin diz
Da Ztevie cummah on da ZIFF 84th birthday wiz diz topiq includin inzane linah notez fo recz n randomly alzo uploadin recz PRE-YOUTUBE to try n convert da 88ztreet n00bz
Maybe just me. But Ziff for me is things like the GGC, the Bee, the Auber, HRs, etc - things which swallow lots of horsepower and perverse levels of tech. I have heard some wonderful playing from him in Chopin Waltzes etc as well, but it is rare. More often than not I think Cziffra simply sounds bored and uninspired when he can’t use his tech.
Our esteemed admin does have a point with his rhythm however. He uses it in a kind of warped way, but he does have it - you can’t complain about his Sabre Dance for instance, and he indeed always lets you know where you are. But that underlying pulse which gives the music a heartbeat normally isn’t a factor for him - even in cases where I think it should be.
WARPED rhythm IZ genzui rhythm when itz applied in a way dat enhancez da muzik
Problem wiz da MAL TEMPO iz hiz rhythm iz warped in a zheeyat random pointlezz way dat juz zoundz random fo da zake ov it
Zum ov da BEZT rhythm I’ve heard iz da ROCK in hiz 1zt conc cadenza
Da way he uzez rhythm iz juz da right balance between metronomic n warped
PERFECTLY judged …free n exprezzive but it juz zound ROCK ZOLID n haf gensui momentum. Zlackening n tightening at juzt da right momentz to bring both intenzity n breadth.
Haha, I feel there’s some truth in this. I once let a Polish girl (decent 88ist, but didn’t get into da chopcomp) hear his Chopin, and the gist of the response was “this is so easy for him he’s not thought about interp”, whereas when I played the Romanian fantasy “this is the most amazing playing I’ve ever heard!”