Which legend haff da worzt rhythm?

da zepp vote fo da ZHEEYAT-TYM

tru even hiz name iz a dead giveaway :sunglasses:

obzerve da followin maztahclazz on how to fuck up zum legendary writin wiz yo bz ‘interp’:

he iz ztill a legend juz fo da zheeyat he iz able to play but daiiiim, diz vid iz makin moi think…

countin-in-tym mite be an inzane fuckin talent :sunglasses:

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That is the thing. Legends don’t have sheeyat tym. I thought about this myself several years ago, just about all pianists I could think of who are generally considered “great” also have a marked, accurate and completely innate sense of rhythm in their playing. With Liszt and Richter for instance we also know the metronome never was far from their piano.

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hahah wiz eztablizhed elite legendz, i always thought da ORGYz rhythm wuz a bit zheeyat, but da ZHEEYAT TYM fo zhor take it to anotha level :sunglasses:

A related question, when does “rubato” become sheeyat rhythm? I personally can’t stand pianists who don’t play 5 bars in the same tempo.

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Why do you say Argerich has bad rythm?

:lib:

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:lib: :lib: :lib:

Hence the “just about”, I could think of a few exceptions as well. Cziffra and Grosvenor are like that too for instance.

Hahahaha actually I myt be zacreligiouz n zay da fuckin LIB himzelf :lib: :sunglasses:

Mo when he juz dun gif a fuck n givin hiz clazzic phone-it-in zitezheeyatfrommemory approach

He iz capable ov gensui rhythm but juz a bit lazy zumtymz :sunglasses:

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Just bought s scrib disc my Matthieu idmtal. Its complete shit and due to zero rhythmic / metrical discipline. Unlistenable!

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Which raises the question… is he a legend? :sunglasses:

They all have other qualities as well, but with both Argerich, Cziffra and Libetta - at least - I think their main selling point is their tech, and the excitement they generated through it. If you take that away from them, there’s not much left. I wouldn’t say BG builds his concerts on flashy tech however, but I for my part at least have been bothered more than once by that there’s no sense for rhythm in his playing, even when the composer has specifically indicated its importance in the score.

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haha wtf da :zif: haff genzui gipzy rhythm

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fo me rhythm iz not about da metronome but how you make da zrong beat zound ztrong n da weak beatz zound weak

in diz maltempo zheeyat u iz not even zho of da time zignatchah :rectum: which iz nevah da caze with da :zif:

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In the clip, he’s giving himself so much time for the lh jumps, trying to avoid rape risk, that he’s gone down to about half tempo. But it sounds like he kinda loses the pulse altogether. A bit weird.

I think ziff is very rhythmic, even when he really distorts stuff like in the Faust waltz, there’s a clear forward motion and you know where the barlines are.

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Can’t zpeak fo da Ziff in diz caze :zif:

But it iz TRU dat hiz tech allowed him to haf da inzane accelerandoz n zpontaniouz burztz ov zpeed

When U zay excitement iz generated thro tech - it dependz wut u mean…

if u mean da excitement iz from obzervin technical featz - diz happenz tru

But in da caze ov da ZIFF da tech iz at da zervice ov both a feat ov virtuozity n alzo an ability to colour da muzik wiz burztz ov acceleration n deceleration dat wud not be pozz wizout da tech - n diz iz da TRU definiton ov virtuozity -
A rare feat ov technical zkill applied toward a gensui exprezziv muzikal end.

Take fo example da YUJA n da HANDJOB - dey haf pozz zimilah tech levelz but when u hear da BEE tranz in deir handz it zound colourlezz n dull

Zo zayin da ZIFF main zellin point iz hiz tech iz a mizzin half da pikcha…

obzerve da fact dat da TRU HIGHLIGHT ov hiz HR6 iz actually da fuckin central moizt zect :sunglasses:

Da MOTEL zhred thro da final part wiz gensui but da ZIFF bringah a tru zoul to da central zect dat make da finale mo excitin dezpite zlite zl*wah tymin :stopwatch:

Tiz lyk da ZIFF reminizcin about da harzhnezz ov hiz lyf n den cummah to joyouz freedom

Da MOTEL juz zound lyk a mofo hu zuffahd a teenage breakup n proceed to give up on chix n entah into a mazturbation frenzy

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:cry: :open_mouth:
With :orgy: :lib: , pozz. :zif: is a poet as well as a virtuoso. Not an intellectual, in the conventional sense, I’ll grant that, but imo the most instinctive musician I’ve ever heard on da 88.

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Hahahaha fuckkkk, diz analogy :dong:

Hahah Actually I juz googled Cziffra HR 6 n top rezult cummah 88 ztreet topix includin diz

Da Ztevie cummah on da ZIFF 84th birthday wiz diz topiq includin inzane linah notez fo recz n randomly alzo uploadin recz PRE-YOUTUBE to try n convert da 88ztreet n00bz :whale::wheelchair::rofl:

Maybe just me. But Ziff for me is things like the GGC, the Bee, the Auber, HRs, etc - things which swallow lots of horsepower and perverse levels of tech. I have heard some wonderful playing from him in Chopin Waltzes etc as well, but it is rare. More often than not I think Cziffra simply sounds bored and uninspired when he can’t use his tech.

Our esteemed admin does have a point with his rhythm however. He uses it in a kind of warped way, but he does have it - you can’t complain about his Sabre Dance for instance, and he indeed always lets you know where you are. But that underlying pulse which gives the music a heartbeat normally isn’t a factor for him - even in cases where I think it should be.

Da MART zummed it up

WARPED rhythm IZ genzui rhythm when itz applied in a way dat enhancez da muzik

Problem wiz da MAL TEMPO iz hiz rhythm iz warped in a zheeyat random pointlezz way dat juz zoundz random fo da zake ov it

Zum ov da BEZT rhythm I’ve heard iz da ROCK in hiz 1zt conc cadenza

Da way he uzez rhythm iz juz da right balance between metronomic n warped

PERFECTLY judged …free n exprezzive but it juz zound ROCK ZOLID n haf gensui momentum. Zlackening n tightening at juzt da right momentz to bring both intenzity n breadth.

Haha, I feel there’s some truth in this. I once let a Polish girl (decent 88ist, but didn’t get into da chopcomp) hear his Chopin, and the gist of the response was “this is so easy for him he’s not thought about interp”, whereas when I played the Romanian fantasy “this is the most amazing playing I’ve ever heard!”